Finally, an SMF 2.0 Update

[live627]

Oops a double post there

[DoctorMalboro]

Yeah, my cellphone was kind of a moron in that. As I was saying, I would agree with you but you're talking what other people should talk... who are you to tell me that the damnified have move on, but forgive? I mean, if I feel offended, insulted, attacked (whatever other thing you might want to add), I would move on but I would never forgive or forget...

That's not how it works...

[Suki]

who am I?  no one... I wasn't even a registered member here back in January 2010...

I'm not saying anything on my own... I'm only echoing what they say.


True,  they can move on and not forget about it...   after all they have all the right to do so...  they (people directly involved) can  chose  not to move on or move on, thats their decision... a decision that only belongs to them...  regular users and those who wasn't directly involved has nothing to forget or nothing to move on   as is the case here.

[DoctorMalboro]

Well, some people believe that those same errors shouldn't happen. Not again.

Both parts have a reasonable point. But making a "revolution" in something like this, is kind of useless since they don't have any power or live knowledge of what the others might think. And I (myself and no one else) think that the people who move on, actually are being kind of pushed away in what they express to be "moving on".

[Suki]

Thats the thing, we  (you, I and all the people who wasn't directly involved) do not know the full story and do not know the full details...  so making assumptions based only in what we read about it (usually just one side of the story)  its pointless,  again, if the people directly involved does not care (for X or Y reason)  why we do care? 

Thats my point,  let the people directly involved handle their issues,  we, the spectators have no right to engage in their issues.

[Acans]

You, like much of the public, have no idea of the specific details of "the SMF January split", so every time a non-team member cries that cry, I shake my head in be

Very true. Once you get on the team and read through the archives of the team boards, you discover the truth.

[Suki]

Not quite right,  remember true is not an absolute but a relative definition

The only thing you discover by being a team member is a lot of info, nothing else, nothing more.   how do you interpret that info, well thats another story

[DoctorMalboro]

That's something that the other arguers should think, not us. People is free to act as they actually are affected or not...

[Suki]

which is exactly my point...  you should tell that to Dismal and not me...

again, (and Im tired of repeating myself) people directly involved have all the right in the world to talk and discuss J10, the rest of us (you, Dismal, I, etc) cannot.

You cant write a book's review if you only had read half of it.


Edit, just for clarification purposes.

You are free to act or to think whatever you want about J10,   problem is when you firmly believe you have the "true"  or you are "right"   when in fact you're ideas cannot be "right"  or cannot be the "true"  if you are unfamiliar with what exactly happen back there,   the issue here is not weather  if you can have assumptions or not...   its the fact you simply cannot express those assumptions as "the absolute true".  Nobody can.


I have my own assumptions about it,  but I'm not  posting my ideas around every time I have a chance... because I know  my assumptions are incomplete and most important,  it ain't  my business

* Miss All Sunday is going to leave this topic now,  too tired of repeating herself...

[Fustrate]

You, like much of the public, have no idea of the specific details of "the SMF January split", so every time a non-team member cries that cry, I shake my head in be

Very true. Once you get on the team and read through the archives of the team boards, you discover the truth.

It wasn't just in the basic team boards, it went higher than that. Places you'll never see. A lot also happened in private IRC channels and IM. You don't know the truth.

It sounds like a pompous thing to say, but none of you were there, so you'll never know or understand what happened or why it became what it did. If you weren't there, just forget about it. It is no longer of any concern to you. Just as MAS said, nobody who wasn't on the team can fully understand it, so you all need to just let it go. It's insulting to those of us who had to go through it when you spout on about it.

[Sabre™]

You are insulted... as you allow yourself to be.
Nobody asks anybody else to read a certain comment or comments, you do so of your own free will. So you alone reap and/or suffer the consequences/benefits.
Curiosity is a gauge to find more information, and your subconscious generates your own thoughts to share, in order to be corrected or approved by those 'in the know', which then increases your own knowledge of events.
Those which were not directly involved know they do not hold the whole story book, but by putting their feelers out, they gain another page.... {dejavu} .....or rustle a few feathers, like so.
I know, I know... "stfu Sabre, you dont know either", yeah yeah.. but Im waiting for my Maccas, and replying here was a nice way to waste time lol
Good luck to all, Good luck to none ~ good luck to me, my Maccas have come!!
mmMMMMMmmMMMmmMmmmmmm
split???

[Suki]

Thank you, Fustrate.

[Bigguy]

People move on if they want to. I was around and caught up in all that happened back then. As has been said, most of us have moved on. We will never forget what has happened and we should not.  You all look at what happened as a negative thing. Yes, SMF did go through a dark time but it survived and is now, growing stronger than ever. If you all want to dwell on the past and not help SMF move on to the next stage, that's your choice. I choose to help it along and nurture it's course to where I know it should be. This is the goal you should all be focused on....not what has happened, but what will..

[DoctorMalboro]

People move on if they want to. I was around and caught up in all that happened back then. As has been said, most of us have moved on. We will never forget what has happened and we should not.  You all look at what happened as a negative thing. Yes, SMF did go through a dark time but it survived and is now, growing stronger than ever. If you all want to dwell on the past and not help SMF move on to the next stage, that's your choice. I choose to help it along and nurture it's course to where I know it should be. This is the goal you should all be focused on....not what has happened, but what will..

Finally, someone who actually understands my point (since a non-affected person).

[Suki]

Well, he was directly involved, you don't...   


And actually he pretty much say the same thing I been saying since two pages ago...   those who was directly involved have a choice, Big guy made his and so the rest of the people...

It sounds like a pompous thing to say, but none of you were there, so you'll never know or understand what happened or why it became what it did. If you weren't there, just forget about it. It is no longer of any concern to you. Just as MAS said, nobody who wasn't on the team can fully understand it, so you all need to just let it go. It's insulting to those of us who had to go through it when you spout on about it.

[HecKel]

Dramas, dramas, dramas..., and what about talking about what is really important? SMF's future?

I was one of those tens (hundreds?) of forum admins who thought about moving to another forum software, and I didn't because at that time the other admins didn't wanted to. Now they want, and I don't. Things change, and SMF seams it's changing so I want to wait and see what's up to happen. Instead of talking about dramas, what about another SMF update? What about talking about another topic with news regarding SMF software and what's up to come after all the bureaucracy's done? That's what's really important for most of us, not the past dramas. If isn't solved, it's up to those involved to get over it and just only them.

[DoctorMalboro]

People move on if they want to. I was around and caught up in all that happened back then. As has been said, most of us have moved on. We will never forget what has happened and we should not.  You all look at what happened as a negative thing. Yes, SMF did go through a dark time but it survived and is now, growing stronger than ever. If you all want to dwell on the past and not help SMF move on to the next stage, that's your choice. I choose to help it along and nurture it's course to where I know it should be. This is the goal you should all be focused on....not what has happened, but what will..

Finally, someone who actually understands my point (since a non-affected person).

Maybe this wasn't clear enough... But yeah, I wasn't affected and even if I did, I would do as Bigguy, forgive but never forget...

[Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen]

If many of the real affected people had leave J10  behind and move on already why a regular person can't

Did they REALLY?

You know - I was one of those that were effectivily kicked out of the team without any warning back then. I refused to accept the way I - and many others - were treated back then. I also stayed away for a longish period after that, and took part in the work to rebuild bridges and fix the bigger issues of the team and corporate structure.. After I saw things were really moving towards the better, and I saw more and more our demands from J10 and after being met - Guess what, I'm back again, and working for the team that once "stabbed me in the back".
I forgot, I forgave, and I aimed to make myself useful again in a project I still love.

Now, tell me what reason do YOU have to not let go of the past?

[ARG01]

I rarely visit this section of the forums but since this topic is in the Developers' Blog and titled "Finally, an SMF 2.0 Update",  I thought that it may be worth reading since I assumed it had something to do with the progress of SMF 2.0.
After reading through 12 pages I discovered that this topic is now more of an SMF team member debate rather than an update with the 2.0 software. 
Perhaps the topic title should be changed. It now seems a bit misleading to those who may be interested in the actual progress of SMF 2.0.

[~DS~]

Now, tell me what reason do YOU have to not let go of the past?

I know of no reason why the SMF January split should ever be forgot.