Recent Travails of SMF Team and Friends

[Cccddd]

I have deleted the seriously off-topic comments, especially those related to the politics of Hitler, and other personal issues.

Yell censorship if you want... but that's not what this thread is for.

Amy is not Hitler... and I do not think anyone is comparing her directly to Hitler... Godwin's law declared that it must be brought up though... Amy is the current manager of Simple Machines LLC, that is all. Recent issues included, her goal is to run the LLC and improve the product. The arguments regarding the recent issues have not been about motivations, but about methods of implementation.

Also, to respond to a bunch who have obviously not read the whole thread

1- This post was made to address issues which had alreayd been made public. if you had not seen or been aware of them... well and good, you can continue to ignore this thread and the contents there-in.
2- SMF is not dead and is not dying. We will continue despite any interpersonal or other internal issues.  This project is bigger than any one person.
3- For those of you commenting on "keep this behind closed doors". Actually, we are endeavoring to do the opposite. Our goal is (going forward) to keep the community informed and involved. Especially when... see #1 above.

Holy ******, someone who's in charge! But I thought only Amacythe was in charge?!

I think it's hilarious that people keep harping on about Amacythe being the only person in control when she's only got the name on the paper, same as it's been for years.

She isn't holding up SMF. Devs sifting through pages of b/s in and amongst their real lives is probably holding up the project more than anything.

It's almost pathetic to wear this "Friends" badge now, not because of the SMF team, but because of the disgraceful way so many of the other friends have been acting.

[Orstio]

Holy ******, someone who's in charge! But I thought only Amacythe was in charge?!

Why doesn't it surprise me that you can't tell the difference between moderation control on this forum, and control over the project?  (I apologize to those who haven't seen this person's mistaking this particular forum for the entire project in more private boards.)

I think it's hilarious that people keep harping on about Amacythe being the only person in control when she's only got the name on the paper, same as it's been for years.

Same as it's been for years, yes.  Just like all the bugs in SMF 2.0.  Same as it's been for years.  Just like the failed SMF license.  Same as it's been for years.  Just like people thinking that team members are just like employees.  Same as it's been for years.

The world changes over time.  Leaving things the way they've been for years is a sure way to fail. 

She isn't holding up SMF. Devs sifting through pages of b/s in and amongst their real lives is probably holding up the project more than anything.

So, who's job is it to make sure the devs stay focused on their goals instead of sifting through pages of b/s?

It's almost pathetic to wear this "Friends" badge now, not because of the SMF team, but because of the disgraceful way so many of the other friends have been acting.

You can always request its removal.  You wouldn't be the first.  Probably not the last either.

[Cccddd]

You wonder why nobody with any weight around here responds? It's because you do nothing more than pick apart everything and spin it around.

Your reasons for being involved in these conversations make about as much sense as mine do, and you're not accomplishing anything but making yourself look ridiculous, and scaring off people from a product you claim to care about just because you have personal beef with the people that run the place.

Pathetic and silly.

[Rowdy]

Well, now I am rooting for a split and another option beyond SMF (and phpbb). I'll make sure to spread the word- the software is stagnant, community is in disarray, and the attitude hostile.

[Fi.Muslim]

noooo...."my e-Honor", "my e-Honor"..

I just want a SMF 2.0,
so pls someone open a new project in sourgeforge or something, to get it done.

[Orstio]

You wonder why nobody with any weight around here responds? It's because you do nothing more than pick apart everything and spin it around.

Your reasons for being involved in these conversations make about as much sense as mine do, and you're not accomplishing anything but making yourself look ridiculous, and scaring off people from a product you claim to care about just because you have personal beef with the people that run the place.

Pathetic and silly.

Like you, I have nothing to lose by calling people out on their crap.  I don't really care if I look ridiculous here.  If the project fails because of my pathetic and silly posts, then it's not even as significant as my pathetic and silly posts, is it?

I have no personal beef with any team members, including Amy.  As I've said elsewhere, people who don't know her as a person should not be commenting on her person.  That's just wrong, and I'll be the first to call them out on it.  Whether or not any of the team members have any personal beef with me is undoubtable.  But, I have no grudge against any one of them as a person.  They're all good people with good intentions.

So, your entire last sentence is filled with the same kind of b/s you keep complaining about. 

[Night09]

You are all pathetic atm with the petty whining then the so called 'official' posts that basically tell us the users jack ******.

Amecythe please respond with some real truthfull answers even if they do hurt a bit and at least settle the page after page of chinese whispers that is developing and seems to be growing at its own pace before irreparable damage is done to what should be a top class project.

[tfs]

I don't think anyone with far-right affinities belongs in a conversation about Hitler.

The terms "Right Wing" and "Left Wing" are fundamentally flawed.  From where I stand, most would call me right wing, and yet Hitler was infinitely "left" of me.

[Antechinus]

Frankly I don't think any mention of Hitler is appropriate for this thread.

[Nick Whetstone]

[opinion]Regardless of affiliation toward either side of the debate, name-calling and attacking hurts your side. It also fuels the other side of the argument, giving them things to point out or hold against you. So, really, any name-calling hurts your side more than the other.[/opinion]

[DerEineDa]

Just my opinion: I think it's strange to discuss these problems in the public - even announce this on the front page - without telling people what this is all about. I am a long time user of SMF, I've read almost the entire thread and I still not know what you are talking about.

If you make your problems official then you should at least summarize these problems for the people not involved.

[Owdy]

Just my opinion: I think it's strange to discuss these problems in the public - even announce this on the front page - without telling people what this is all about. I am a long time user of SMF, I've read almost the entire thread and I still not know what you are talking about.

If you make your problems official then you should at least summarize these problems for the people not involved.

I would do that, but last time i just posted a link to blog what explains everytning, i got banned from here. Posting a link to SMF Co-founders blog is not allowed in here.

[DerEineDa]

I would do that, but last time i just posted a link to blog what explains everytning, i got banned from here. Posting a link to SMF Co-founders blog is not allowed in here.

Thank you, this was hint enough. And the fact that these kind of posts get removed and the members get banned is showing the problems just fine.

[Kindred]

Do none of you even bother to read the thread before responding?


Jim, Anyone with any weight responding:   I have done so, a few times now. Please stop trolling, or I will put you on moderation.
Rowdy, stop trolling, the SMF software is not stagnant and not dead.
nightbre and DerEineDa, I (and a few others) have described the situation.

[Tristan Perry]

The impression i get from some of you in this thread, is like you do not want SMF to survive as long as Amy is in-charge

IMO that is the wrong attitude.

Whether Amy is in-charge or not, we should all be willing to compromise to keep SMF alive

Amy is ('arguably') the person who *caused* this entire mess.

*Loads* of people care about SMF, although Amy (et al?) is making it hard for these people to contribute.

That's not their fault.

I've been around since pre-SMF days (my original forum was YabbSE and I converted it to SMF when it came out... my MySQL tables are still prefixed with yabbse_ etc), and I love SMF.

Although from the sounds of it there are major and real problems which can not and will not be fixed until Amy et al step down.

This is my opinion, and I'm not trolling (as I say, I've been around since pre-SMF days; I love SMF and only want what's best for SMF).

I edited out the "ban" comment; apologies for that

I would do that, but last time i just posted a link to blog what explains everytning, i got banned from here. Posting a link to SMF Co-founders blog is not allowed in here.

Thank you, this was hint enough. And the fact that these kind of posts get removed and the members get banned is showing the problems just fine.

This fully indepnedent post contains links to all you need to know

http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70479

[Kindred]

Now, see, Tristan, that sort of comment is what encourages rumors.

You are not going to get banned for disagreeing. The previous bans of the friends were an emotional response and an admitted (and since rectified) mistake. In addition, the bans were not for "disagreeing with management."

And, no, your post was not trolling, but please be careful of the personal references... people who have no idea keep throwing Amy's name around... and this situation is goes much deeper than a disagreement with Amy (or any one person).

Once again, the reason for this post (and for the discussions with the friends) is to sort out some stuff which has recently come to a head. The issues which spawned the event are long standing and are also being addressed.

[Tristan Perry]

Now, see, Tristan, that sort of comment is what encourages rumors.

You are not going to get banned for disagreeing. The previous bans of the friends were an emotional response and an admitted (and since rectified) mistake. In addition, the bans were not for "disagreeing with management."

And, no, your post was not trolling, but please be careful of the personal references... people who have no idea keep throwing Amy's name around... and this situation is goes much deeper than a disagreement with Amy (or any one person).

Once again, the reason for this post (and for the discussions with the friends) is to sort out some stuff which has recently come to a head. The issues which spawned the event are long standing and are also being addressed.

My apologies if any of my comments truly weren't fact/were rumour-mongering, although from what I've seen/read from multiple sources I thought it was fact. As I say, apologies if any wasn't

[DerEineDa]

Do none of you even bother to read the thread before responding?


Jim, Anyone with any weight responding:   I have done so, a few times now. Please stop trolling, or I will put you on moderation.
Rowdy, stop trolling, the SMF software is not stagnant and not dead.
nightbre and DerEineDa, I (and a few others) have described the situation.

Well, maybe I wouldn't have to read the whole thread, especially the rather confusing first few pages, if you would have explained the story in your first post.

Well, now I am enlightened. As a developer/programmer myself, I think this story is really interesting and something you can learn from. I can imagine how the (former) developers feel about all this, because I know how it feels when you put your passion into a project. It kind of becomes a part of you.

[TurtleKicker]

I have tried to keep my mouth shut, especially on this site (not so much on others). But it's becoming very difficult.

ForumGuy789> SMF is technically owned by Amacythe, that's what a court will say. They won't care for the community or the SMF core values, they will care for the law. They can't prevent her from using her assets as she likes (and as we dislike), even if the original owner complains, even if the entire community of SMF developers and helpers complains.

Since someone else finally brought up the money issue that so many others have silently tiptoed around, I will consider it fair game.

I will try to reserve comments about character, or personal attacks. I will refrain from trying to spread opinion or secondhand information as fact. I do, however, have some questions I'd like clarified:

1) Is it true or not true that a person with the legal authority and right to do so requested the financial records from Amy regarding how SMF funds have been spent? That this person is entitled to them upon request and that by the laws of an LLC, Amy is required to produce them for this person?

2) If #1 is true, did Amy honor this request?

3) If the answer to #2 is "no", the implications are serious. How does this fit into things going forward?

I ask in the interest of clarifying a bunch of issues, perhaps putting rumors to rest and to continue to help "sort out" the stuff that has "come to a head". Thanks

[MultiformeIngegno]

I really hope (like all) that this situation get solved asap!
We all love SMF and don't want it to die!

I think that the most important thing, now, is that Amy comes here to post her explanations!